Firefox is nice, but does your browser...
- Have built-in chat and mail clients?
- Turn images on/off with a single button?
- Magnify pages to any size from 20-1000%?
- Identify as other browsers (to view IE-only sites)?
- Operate completely using the keyboard?
- Start up with all previously opened tabs cached?
- View pages in "user mode", making badly formatted pages easily readable?
- Come with built-in mouse gestures and customizable keyboard and mouse operations?
- Minimize, cascade, and tile individual tabs?
- Allow scheduled reloading of a page every set period of time?
- Turn on/off pop-ups, sound, Java, cookies and proxies with a single shortcut key?
- Allow forced single window tabbed browsing, with all pop-ups, download manager and mail as tabs in one window?
- Let you create up to seven custom toolbars with over a hundred available buttons?
- Quickly access recently closed pages?
- Rewind/Fast Forward through pages to relieve the hassle of pushing "Back" many times in a single page?
- Have a working middle-click button on Macs?
- Port to Solaris, BeOS, and other operating systems in 20 languages?
- Have all these features, yet weigh in at only ~4MB?
- Make Cascading Style Sheets your bitch? ^_^
We hope you'll do the right thing for your country: use Opera, the fastest web browser ever. Opera for President!
I know, I know, it's a commercial product, but it's worth your cash. And if you don't pay for it, the ads are even less intrusive as the ones in Gmail.
Alan's gonna kill me for this...
Posted by: i/p at November 2, 2004 01:09 AM
The good thing about Firefox is you can get all of those features through extentions, and you don't have to get any you don't want.
If I wanted a complete web suite, I'd get Mozilla. I just want a browser.
Built in clients - useless
Images on/off with button - yes
Magnify pages - with extention, yes
Identify as other browsers - with extention, yes
Operate completely with the keyboard - yes
Start up with tabs cached - no, but I don't see how that'd ever be useful
User mode - with extentions, you can do esencially the same thing
Mouse gestires/custom commands - with extentions you can
Tab functions - With extentions you can
Scheduled reloading - okay, THAT is neat... that's something they should put in ff (but I'm sure someone'll write an extention for it)
Turn on/off stuff - I never did like single-key shortcuts. Too much risk of hitting them on accident. I like navigating menus.
Forced single window browsing - yep, i have that set as we speak (it's built into ff as an option), but no, the other stuff isn't in tabs
Custom toolbars - yes. it's not the number of buttons that's important.. firefox doesn't need as many buttons because it's more compact. it does its job without a lot of crap on the side
The other stuff, it kinda does, but whatever
I think it really depends on the person. I mean, as long as you're not using IE, I won't bug you to switch. Personally, I want my web browser to be A WEB BROWSER, not a do-it-all-suite. That's why I hated Netscape Communicator.
Plus the fact that I don't want to pay for it.
And does Opera have
-Installable themes to change the look and feel of ff?
-Infinite extentions to install to expand ff's capibilities?
-Access to complete settings list with "about:config"?
I have to go and get ready for class >_< But yeah... it really depends on the person which to use.
I personally can't stand ads, no matter how small or unobtrusive, and I'm not going to pay for a web browser with features I'll never use when this works just fine.
Posted by: Alan at November 2, 2004 07:42 AM
> The good thing about Firefox is you can get all of those features through extentions.
- Extensions? So basically Opera comes prepackaged with all the stuff you can get on Firefox as add-ons, yet still manages to be smaller and load faster?
> If I wanted a complete web suite, I'd get Mozilla. I just want a browser.
- And I thought people didn't want Mozilla because it was too bloated and bulky -- Opera's smaller and faster than Firefox, even with all the extras. If speed isn't an issue, why get something that does less?
> Built in clients - useless
- Yeah, useless. Just grab Thunderbird at 12MB (or Outlook?) and double your loading time!
> Images on/off with button - yes
- Turn images off in Firefox: Tools --> Options --> Web Features --> Uncheck Load Images --> Click on OK to close preferences
- Turn images off in Opera: Press 'G'
You can also just push the camera button. As a user of both browsers, I use this feature a lot more in Opera since it's just so much easier.
> Operate completely with the keyboard - yes
- Is every key configurable?
> Start up with tabs cached - no, but I don't see how that'd ever be useful
- If you're surfing twenty pages and your computer crashes, it's nice having them still open when you start up your browser again. You can pick up browsing where you left off anytime; it's like having X many home pages instead on just one. I don't use a lot of the features I list, but this one is VERY useful. If you don't like it, Opera lets you turn if off the first time you use it.
> User mode - with extentions, you can do esencially the same thing
> Turn on/off stuff - I never did like single-key shortcuts.
- You can also do everything with buttons. Or custom mouse gestures. Or menus. Turn off what you don't want and turn on what you do.
> Forced single window browsing - yep, i have that set as we speak (it's built into ff as an option)
- I'm not talking about tabbed browsing. When you open pop-ups (sometimes you have to) in Firefox, would you rather they clutter your desktop or become another unobtrusive background tab?
> Custom toolbars - yes. it's not the number of buttons that's important.. firefox doesn't need as many buttons because it's more compact. it does its job without a lot of crap on the side
- You don't need all the buttons; the point is you get a lot more choice. My toolbar has only four buttons: save page, images off/user mode, status bar, and magnify. I don't need back/forward/reload thanks to mouse gestures, and my address bar works as a Google bar. IE also does its job without crap on the side, but so? I prefer a browser that does *my* job with the crap *I* want.
> Installable themes to change the look and feel of ff?
Opera's home page lists 350+ skins. Mozilla's themes page lists 9. Firefox's themes page isn't working?
> Infinite extentions to install to expand ff's capibilities?
- A pretty name for "third party plug-in" -- IE has extensions too (like the Google bar), they just don't tout them on the download page. It's like saying Linux is infinitely configurable because you can change the source -- unless you're the guru, you're at the mercy of the small minority who bother programming this stuff. Opera is packaged with most of the goodies listed on the Firefox's (limited) Extensions page, why not start out with all the features rather than tacking them on later?
> Access to complete settings list with "about:config"?
- I'm sure all the newbies have figured that one out, but I guess you have to get your hands dirty with "boolean values" when your Preferences menu is pitifully small. Oh, and if you can figure out that screen without documentation, you can just as easily edit Opera's settings files by hand.
> I personally can't stand ads, no matter how small or unobtrusive, and I'm not going to pay for a web browser with features I'll never use when this works just fine.
- Have fun with Gmail, because Opera's text ads are exactly the same, but smaller. I'm sure the IE crowd didn't need any of Firefox's features until they actually started using it -- who needs pop-up blocking when I can just close my windows, right? ^_^
Wow, this is pretty long. FLAME WAR!!
Posted by: i/p at November 2, 2004 10:33 AM
Truthfully, I don't use Opera that much and wouldn't recommend it to most non-power users; Firefox is more stable, user-friendly, and moral (open source!). However, I was a bit P.O.'ed when the script on your page told me to upgrade my browser -- I'd just switched to Camino because Firefox doesn't play nice with the OS and breaks mouse buttons on my Mac.
There's many different browsers out there; can't we all be, like, friends or something? Every Galeon, Konqueror, Nautilus, and Lynx deserves their day in the sun. (Just kidding, Lynx users are losers.) I even know a guy who's justified using IE because after adding mods and extensions (sound familiar?), it was as secure and full-featured as Mozilla!
So yeah, (choice + interoperability) > (religious software zealotry). Let the world do what it will; just write valid HTML and everyone's happy. (If you wanna be subversive, write some clever CSS that validates but breaks on IE, *then* tell them to upgrade. ^^;)
P.S. I admit it's depressing when our choices in the clusters consist of IE and Netscape(!) -- why not throw in the AOL browser while they're at it!
P.P.S. I lied, Opera is nowhere near the smallest or fastest browser. That prize goes to Dillo, the graphical browser that fits on a floppy. Dillo for President?
Posted by: i/p at November 2, 2004 02:46 PM
Yeah... I don't really care what browser you use as long as it's not IE (and the guy who modded IE is justified in using it then... but wouldn't it have been easier to download another browser?). That's why I Have a small message telling non-IE users to switch. I personally like ff because the extentions. But some people may prefer other browsers.
Know what? I'll take out that thing telling non-ff users to change their browsers. :)
I'm too tired to refuite your points right now :-P
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